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Forge Kit - Double bass will not register on kick pad.

I have recently purchesed a Forge Kit, everything is great.
I then bought a double bass pedal. (Mapex 800 series.)
I set it up and only some kicks are registered. I have moved the beaters left and right to try all parts of the pad, but no success.
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  • Hello,

    Sorry you're having troubles with this. I'll be happy to help!

    It sounds like you'll need to adjust your sensitivity and threshold settings for your kick pad.

    To edit your trigger setting:

    1. Press Kit to enter the Kit Selection page (if you are not already viewing it).
    2. Press Menu to enter the Kit Menu.
    3. Use the Down and Up buttons to select Trigger, and then press Enter.
    4. Hit the pad whose voice you want to edit. The pad's name will appear at the top of the display. Alternatively, use the Down and Up buttons to select the pad's name at the top of the display, and then use the dial or Left and Right buttons to change it.
    5. The display will show the current trigger and its parameters. On this page, use the Down and Up buttons to select and adjust your Sensitivity and Threshold.

    The Sensitivity will affect the sensitivity of the head (center) of the drum pad. Higher values let you produce louder sounds with less force. Lower values require more force to produce quieter sounds.

    The Threshold is the amount of force required to trigger the sound.

    Hope this helps! Let me know how it goes!
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  • Hi Corey, yes I have put the sensitivity up fully but it still only seems to register around the middle of the pad. I also put the threshold on 1.
    Is there anything else to try?
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  • I also put the threshold up fully to and tested that it seems it works around the middle as well. I have also moved the beaters closer together but it seems to cut out and only register some kicks.
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  • Hello,

    It sounds like the kick pad may be in monophonic mode. I would recommend changing it to Polyphonic. To change this:
    1. Press Kit to enter the Kit Selection page (if you are not already viewing it). 
    2. Press Menu to enter the Kit Menu. 
    3. Use the Down and Up buttons to select Voice, and then press Enter.
    4. Hit the pad whose voice you want to edit (the kick pad, in this case). The pad’s name will appear at the top of the
      display. Alternatively, use the dial or Left and Right buttons.
    5. The display will show the pad’s current voice and its parameters. On this page:
       • To select a parameter you want to edit, use the Down and Up buttons to select Mode, and use the dial to change this to Mono.
    Don't forget to save your changes!

    If this doesn't resolve the problem for you, please reach out to your nearest Alesis Support Office. Their contact numbers are listed on that page.

    I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any additional questions.
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    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Alesis Forge kick trigger not registering.

    Im having trouble getting the kick on the alesis forge kit to register every hit with a double bass pedal. i tried changing it to polyphonic mode, and i messed with the threshold and sensitivity! i moved the beaters closer together to the center of the trigger, but nothing seems to get it to work. any advice?
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    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Forge Kit with double kick pedal.

    Hi everybody! I have recently purchesed a Forge Kit, and one the main reasons was that in the promotinal video made a point of saying that the kick pad was big enough for two pedals. When I hooked up my dw5000 the pad drops a lot of notes. I've already try adjusting settings like sesitivity, threshold, etc. So this rise the following questions:

    1. The Forge Kit is designed to support double bass?
    2. The kit's brain can register fast hits?
    3. Can I replace the kit's kick pad with the alesis realhead kick pad? If this is possible the kit's brain will work fine with the realhead kick pad?

    Thanks!
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    • If I connect drum pad to tom4 input The pad perfetcly recognize every hit, so it's not a hardware problemi. But if I try to duplicate tom's settings on The drum pad connected to it's right input The problem is still here. So, it's something like The drum pad setting is some way set as if it could never riproduce fast beats (I tried to tweak everything). Please cheack for a firmware update!
    • Thank you for this! I dont use a double kick but I do a lot of heal toe fast kicks and it wont recognize the second hit when I heal toe. Using tom 4 worked, but that sucks to have to change the factory kits every time you want to play around. I find it funny that on the nitro kit you can play as fast as you want, it never misses. My friend has one and its the only reason I bought the forge. Thanks again!
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    I have the same problem, it seems to me like the module isn't registering fast kick hits with doublebass (particularly flams/triplets) even though I adjust all the settings available. My solution was to use some Triggera trigger pads I had laying around after my last e-kit, and use a seperate cable from the Tom4-output on the module, and just use the second bassdrum pedal/trigger on that line (set the sound to use the same bassdrum sample you use with the main kick). Not an ideal solution if you would want a 4th tom later on, but then it at least register fast hits, as it's no longer only on one line input.
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    • My next set will be a Roland.
    • I really like the Pearl Tru Trac drum conversion pack. But it would cost a lot to get set up, and I don't have the space for full drum set the way I would want it. Eventually I will have that type of set up. I've seen used drum sets that it would work with, but that still easily gets to be over $1000, and you still need a brain/control box.
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  • Best way I can Describe the problem is if you take a 4 BEAT. 1 2 3 4, it has no problem. 8 BEAT 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &, handles 95% of the time. 16 BEAT 1 e & ah 2 e & ah 3 e & ah 4 e & ah, it misses up to 2-5 beats at a time and hits speraticly. Threshold at 1 or 16 doesn't matter, changing any setting doesn't fix this. Different pads don't change anything, realhead or mesh same problem, using a tom from the forge kit plugged into the bass channel still has the same problem. But the problem is gone if you use any other channal from any cymbal or tom 1-4, snare, the double bass pedals will register at any speed. Try setting the bass pedal threshold to 1, so drum sticks will work on the bass head and do a drum roll, it will not work, ever. Then plug the snare or tom or cymbal into the bass pad (you can change the sound to a bass sound or use the cymbal/tom/or snare sound from the channel you picked to test with) and do a drum roll you will see the stock bass pad has no issue with the speed of a drum roll, double bass pedals no problem. Also all of my other bass pads I've bought now work fine using other channals. As long as your not using the bass channal there is no problems with anything. And yes, I can modify any channel cymbal or tom to sound however I want. But... Still the bass channel is faulty and not operating the way you say it does. I'm not sure if you built it so that channel can fixed with a software update, or if you built it that the module would have to be sent back, altered and repaired. But something needs to be fixed, this is not what any of us paid for. I can play more accurately on a 60$ rockband drum set than with this kit. If it cant keep up with a video game and play accurately how could you ever play this to its full potential with 4 toms and 4 cymbals in any band or practice setting when your bass is hit and miss? Did I miss this beat or did the module?
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  • I thought I would add one more thing. Regardless of if this is someone using a double bass, worring about space for the beaters, beater placement... A single bass pedal hitting directly in the middle, heal and toe won't register either. This is about how fast the module can receive signals from the sensor in the pad.
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  • Ok. My testing with a single or double bass pedal, with any bass pad set up, 160bpm is ok. 180bpm starts missing beats, 200bpm misses multiple beats at a time. 220bpm won't register any strikes or maybe 1 or 2 out of 16 beats. Do that same test on any other channel with any bass set up and it works fine. Please fix this problem, my equipment should not be what causes me to not be able to play to my potential. Your equipment should help you reach higher and higher levels of skill. Your bass channel does not let you excel past a very basic speed with a bass pedal, this system is not capable of playing 90% of my songs because its not capable of keeping up with bass rhythms(bass rhythms that any other drum set is capable of doing). This is not a drum set I would recommend to anybody for any use. Fix this MAJOR problem and its great. Otherwise by Roland or Yamaha and you will not have this problem and you can actually use each channel for what it was designed and designated for. This is posted on my review on amazon now also.
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  • Got a message on amazon from alesis, this is my reply, if I have any new fix from them I will post it here...

    Hi, I got a message on amazon to email you if I have any questions. I bought you forge kit about 2 months ago. I've been struggling with the bass channel. I've now bought 2 different kick pads to find those are not the problem (now over 700$ invested). I've now looked on your forum, also with many other people complaining about the bass channel not able to keep up and missing beats. To find out Alesis knew that there was an issue with this system a year ago, but you still selling them to people, I feel I was scammed by your company by selling me a unit you know there are problems with. It took over a year to save up for a drum kit and I end up with this. I just had my second drum lesson and have already exceeded what this can do and am looking at having to get a different set. This is not fair and not what I, nor anybody else complaining paid for. What is the fix for the module to function like any other drum set on the market (besides the Alesis sets). Take a beat of 90bpm, then through in a half beat... 60% of the time the second hit will not register, do a 16th beat and nothing registers. That is not fair for a kit this expensive. What do I need to do to have this kit function like all other drum sets? At this point to continue my training and lessons, I'm back using my rockband pro set up, and yes, it functions perfectly never missing a beat... I bought your set to take lessons with so I can have adjustment and set my placement up for myself. Next to my many years old rockband drum set, sits my brand new Alesis drum set, that I've been saving forever, now over 700 invested, that is incapable of doing what a 60$ toy drum set can do. What is your solution, that does not take up the tom 4 input for your bass channel? That input if for a tom, not bass..... Your company should know that.
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  • Alesis unacceptable response to this known prob. They know about the problem and if the decide to fix it they will let me know. So... No fix, they know.
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  • I fixed it: switch Tom2 cable to Kick and Kick to Pad2 (or disable if Tom2 not uses). Works for me. But yes, it's a bug and need to fix it.
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  • I want to write one more review to hopefully help others from running into the frustration I did with the Forge set. Before purchasing the set I had already collected a 12in Real head drum, 2 10in Real head drums, converted them to mesh, and a 2 zone Alesis 14in Cymbal. When I saw the Forge kit, and the price compared to other sets on the market, watching the promo video's and all the good reviews on Amazon I decided to get it. When I initially set it up, every channel was used, 4 toms, 4 cymbals, snare, and bass. I got this kit to learn, take lessons, and continue playing Rock band but with a set that fit me (I'm 6ft 2in). Instantly the bass was a problem, I thought it was me, or the bass pedal, so I got a pearl dual bass set up. And instantly the same problems, so i got a 8in Real head bass drum set up, and same problems. I tried every setting possible offered my Alesis and what I could find on forums with no luck. After contacting customer service and finding out they have not looked into fixing this, and there not planning on looking into it, I had to move on and stop trying to get it to function using the bass channel, and give up one of my toms. As of right now I DO have a full kit working I just lost the ability of having 4 different sounding toms. I used a 1/4 splitter, and hooked up 2 different toms to the # tom 3, and it working ok so far. Since I already had a cable for my tom 4 spot I didn't have to buy a cable, if you don't have a cable you will need to buy a male to male 1/4in cord. Connect the bass to tom 4 and change the tom 4 settings to make the tom sound like the bass, and MIDI to send the right signal out to rockband/computer to trigger the bass, not tom. Turn the unit on and hit menu, then enter into "Voice". Hit the bass drum and voice tom 4 should be at the top of the screen. I use sound 007 for my bass sound, turn the knob to 007 (or pick a different bass sound, # range of bass sounds are 1-50 or so). Hit save to save that sound. Then hit exit, down to "trigger" hit enter. Hit you bass again and make sure it says tom 4 on the top. Down to "MIDI NOTE" and change it to x036 and hit save. Your tom 4 should sound like bass, and output bass to your rockband MIDI controller or computer. Now your bass can function the way it is supposed do.


    Because of all this, I changed and played with every setting so much I want to explain my findings.

    In the "Trigger" menu:

    SENSITIVITY

    Has nothing to to the the drum trigger itself. This has to do with once the trigger is activated, how much harder you have to hit it to get a full loud sound out of the drum. So #1 need a hard hit for full sound, #16 takes very little to get full loud sound (playing in an apartment with light sticks you can play soft with full sound).

    THRESHOLD

    This is the setting that changes how hard you have to hit the drum for the trigger to receive the hit. #1 takes almost no force, the vibration of hitting the drum next to it can trigger multiple drums set to low. #16 takes the hardest hit, this is the setting I use on every channel I wish I could turn it up more with some. I use 16 on every channel.


    I would not recommend messing with the other 2 I found online to mess with, that created another bag of worms.

    XTALK, I set all of the channels to 9 and seems good so far, this setting adjusts the power of a drum over another, one set high and another low, hitting 2 drums at the same time, the drum set higher can cancel out the other drum all together.

    RETRIG CANCE

    Again I have 9 across all channels. This set at 1 will almost make a fumble or drum echo or multiple hits sent with one it. Ghost hits are very easy set low.


    Real head mesh conversion, just make sure the stacking of the pads is the same height as stock. If the pads are taller than the outer drum rim you will never get a good feel on the drum head, and the trigger gets to much pressure on it and the vibrations from hitting a drum or cymbal next to it will set it off. Also, now I cut a small hole over the top of the trigger (about the size of a quarter) so the pad put no pressure whatsoever on the trigger. Been working great.


    Real head Snare, the rim sensor triggers way, way to easy and had to disconnect it, but, the snare that came with the kit works great for a rim and snare drum sound.


    Dual channel Cymbal

    Does not work on this kit unless you hook up 2 separate channels. The only channel they made in this kit that can handle 2 separate sounds for one channel is the snare. So single zone cymbals is all you need unless you use 2 separate channels for w different sounds.


    I hope this all makes sense feel free to ask questions if you want and I will try my best to help. Customer service was not good, Google search alesis sucks and you will see many complaints about customer service. Because of my frustration I will never recommend this set if you can afford something else. But for the price, you can make this kit work, you will just have a bass channel that you don't use.


    Add:

    You can find all the MIDI output notes/settings in the manual or download the manual of Alesis website. You can change any channel cymbal or tom to output any tom bass cymbal you want.
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  • Hey Brad, check out some extra trigger settings info in the similar Medeli DD650 manual (p-17): http://www.mecldata.com/download/manu...

    It suggests trigger Threshold, Xtalk & Retrig Cancel should be set as low as possible. Also maybe try using trigger curves 4, 5, or 6

    Good luck trying to sort out the problem without having to reassign a tom input.
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  • Thank you. :) I see it says to start at a low level and raise it until you don't have issues anymore. The settings I found finally made it that I can consistently get my 95-98% average on songs and get long streaks with no mistakes or miss hits. Before I figured out this set up I was struggling to get 85%. Its was interesting seeing your manual and reading it, thank you. :) Another thing to think about, your kit may have a higher threshold values at lower numbers, so that lower settings work, where on this is would not work. if I could turn my snare up more I would, bumping or brushing it with my finger sets it off set at its highest threshold.
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      I actually never played with curve setting much, it has stayed set at 3 on all of them... :)
    • You'll prob'ly be surprised by the reduced hitting velocity required when using curves 4 or 5, which should help improve double bass drum trigger response.
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  • The kick tower has nothing to do with the missed kicks. The problem is that the kick cable is not capable of registering quick hits either because of software or physical limitation on that circuit. Try this: plug the kick cable into your snare pad (or any other pad) and do a fast roll and you will notice it will miss at the same rate as if it was the kick tower. I have tried different trigger settings and none worked. The only solution so far is to swap the kick cable with another pad that is seldomly used (I switched it with tom3).
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  • So im using the tom4 workaround for kick. I'm wondering if it's possible to make it to always be recognized as kick instead of tom ? or do I have to set it to kick manually every time ?
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  • Hey David. Make sure you hit save when you finish making adjustments... I've made that mistake a few times.
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  • Yeah but you still gotta do it for each kit seperately right? No one option for all ?
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  • Oh, I see what your saying. I can't answer that one, I haven't really switched sets much, ive always been building them from scratch with my own sounds. One more reason they need to fix the actuall problem instead of all of us just having to deal with it.
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  • It drove me crazy having my bass channel not in use and found something for it. I connected the bass channel to my stock bass pedal/drum set up but changed it to my snare for sound and output. So, tom 4. Channel is my pearl dual bass set up with 8in mesh head. On the outside my left foot dual bass pedal I put the new snare set up with the stock pedal (hi hat on the inside of left foot). Its been more fun to play with than I thought, it still skips, but at least the channel is being used for something and I've learned something new.
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  • One more question.. Is the kick pad big enough to support double kick - if i run it from tom4 ?
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  • Stock pad is big enough, and I've tested mine. Works good. I bought the bigger mesh head hoping that would solve the initial problem.
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  • How well will this kit work with Rock Band? I'm new to electronic drums so I don't know much so anything will help,
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  • Works good, using ps3 with RB3. You will need to order a MIDI controller for either the PlayStation or Xbox and the MIDI cord and your good. You will have to do the bass fix explained in this thread to use a double bass or fast heel toe... You can get those on Amazon.
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  • I have one more question (I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask or not) should I get a Forge kit or a Command kit? Either way I would have to save up to get one so I'm trying I see which would be a better kit to get. Some extra info is: I have never had an electronic drum kit before, but I can play almost all Rock Band songs on expert pro drums. Also, I'm probably going to mainly use it for Rock Band, but will also use it for recording actual music. Thanks for any help
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  • Hello again. I'm still not sure if this is a good place to ask, but I'm going to anyway. Does anyone know a good double bass pedal for the DM10? I was hoping to spend much, but after my research I found this might not be possible. I found a "DW 3002 Double Bass Pedal" that looks good, but that is much more than I thought it was going to cost. Is this pedal good? Is there other good options for less? (I found it for $225) I know very little about what parts for drums are good and even less about bass pedals. All I know is I want a pedal that can get the job done without lots of problems. Thanks, and have a good day.
    Edit: one final question I have. Does anyone know the best place to buy a DM10 mesh kit for less than $1100? I see all kinds of reviews saying it is not under $1000 and I just don't understand. I'm looking for the mesh version of the DM10X. Thanks for all the help. You have been making this a lot easier for someone that has little experience.
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    This is a very good and more necessary post. you can check this post for more idea http://cheapelectronicdrumset.com/
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  • I’m anxious
    I just ordered the Forge kit for home practice and I was super excited about it until reading this thread. I drum in a death metal band (Sodomized Cadaver) and I wanted it to practice our tracks at home. So your saying I need to use the tom4 output as the second bassdrum? And I will need to buy a separate wire for that?
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  • I’m frustrated
    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Command Module Firmware Updates?.

    When I first bought my Command Kit I heard there was a Firmware Update to fix double triggering kick bass, now I can't find it anywhere. Any suggestions? Im now running a double pedal setup and it's driving me crazy. Thanks in advance for any help.
    • Where did you hear that there was a firmware update for this module? We currently don't have any firmware updates posted that address this, as this is not a common issue attributed to the module. Any updates, if there are any available, will be posted to the Docs and Downloads section of the product page on www.alesis.com. If you're experiencing double triggering when using a double kick pedal, you will need to adjust your sensitivity and potentially your pad settings as well. Please use this thread for assistance, and let me know if you have any additional questions. 
    • Wow Bill. You need to wake up. Double bass will not work.

      Steve, I know bill still thinks you can make adjustments to make this work. But it is obvious Bill does not know, understand, or use this equipment. Nor has he read the posts in here. Otherwise there would be a fix. My bass channel plug just dangles in the air, just as worthless as the day I got it. I had to use tom4 just like everybody else that wants a bass drum to work over 115bpm. You don't need double bass for that. Heel/toe with single pedal doesn't work either. Bass channel is junk until Bill wakes up and admits there's a problem.
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    I think at this point. Bill R. would have fixed this problem if it was possable to fix. I don't think the bass channel is capable and ever will be capable of fast/normal playing, or in my eyes, not capable of playing 90% of songs and music on the market without missing bass hits. They are not false advertising that a double bass will fit, and the bass pad is capable to have a double bass set up. They just aren't telling you that hardware installed in these drum sets are not capable of prossesing hits over about 115-130bpm. There is no setting to adjust, not that the bass drum pad is to small... The truth is, Alessis and Bill R. know this, they know the channel is bad, and at this point with no fix... They know there is no fix and they can't fix it. They just won't admit it.
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